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Advice for Current Law Student

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Hi all- I wanted to start out by saying thanks for all the information made available on the website- has been very helpful thus far.

I'm a current law student at a T10 school and have recently decided that law is not for me. I would eventually like to end up in PE, but obviously have some very large obstacles to overcome. I worked a couple years in-between undergrad (lib. arts major) and law school at a bank in a non-investment role, so know how to crunch numbers/excel and am doing due diligence for angel investors this summer. I'm also taking related classes at my school's b-school next academic year.

I know that the traditional route of 2 years analyst, etc. has passed, and as a result I am looking to pivot to an associate role at a bank upon graduation. How often do i-banking associates exit to PE? Is this an unlikely exit op? The second option would be to continue on as an attorney, network with PE's through deal work, and eventually make my way to a shop as many posts in the forums advised for current attorneys, although that seems even more unlikely to occur. Thanks in advance.


Going from Management Consultant to Venture Capital Associate

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Pre-mba monkey here, 2+yrs consultant specializing in pharma/biotech industry, and before that did product management at a fortune 500 med tech. Looking to switch over to the VC side (at a firm interested in health tech), but do not have any contacts in the industry. Any advice on making the transition?

I'm especially interested in hearing what skills I may need to develop given my background... obviously very comfortable with launching products, commercial strategy, know the healthcare industry pretty well, but don't have such extensive modeling experience compared to my banker buddies, which concerns me a bit.
What I've done so far is reached out to people for introductions, and attending some startup demo days, thinking of going to NYC tech meetup next month. Other ideas?
Also, if any VC associates out there reading this, would love to hear about your experience on how you got into it.

Buying Into the General Partnership

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Question for any senior guys out there. I am a VP in the private equity group of a large firm. I am considering an offer from a start up private equity firm, who is being founded by an ex-MD of mine in PE and is going to close on a first fund over the next few months (should be around ~$300M). I would come in as a VP or Principal level, and would be the third most senior person at the firm (two Partners above me, two associates below me and maybe another VP/Principal level other than me). My proposed comp will be comprised of cash comp, carried interest, and co-invest opportunity.

My question is the following: do you think it is reasonable ask to be able to buy into the GP? It would be nominal (1-2% of the GP commitment) but really want to be able have some GP ownership to align interests with the Partners and capture some of the upside opportunity as this is obviously much riskier than staying in my current position.

Is this a reasonable ask or completely out of bounds? Let me know any thoughts and thanks in advance.

MM PE Compensation

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All,

I've recently received an offer to join a minority investment fund (~$400M) which sits within a larger, buyouts MM PE fund in NY (~$2-$2.5B) range. The compensation package is ~$200K all-in and I was wondering if this is in-line with similar opportunities.

Thank you for your help!

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Interview prep for a role in an established start-up

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I have a preliminary 'conversation' with a product launcher for an uber-like start up that recently completed a Series C. As far as I know, I would be the first r one of the first dedicated investments guy hired there.
The role is for someone with around 2-3 years of experience.
Just wanted to know what I should brush up on. They also have an analytics test so if anyone has an idea on what VC's usually provide in terms of that, that would be much appreciated.

Any way to go from a Masters in Finance to VC?

PE Secondaries Advisory Interview

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I have a final round interview for a PE secondary advisory shop. They informed me that I will have a case study including "some basic analysis in excel and prepare a few slides on powerpoint to present your [my] findings". Does anyone have experience with a secondary case study/modeling test? Will they have me value the portfolio or just find its basic summary and prepare a marketing deck for potential secondary buyers? Any and all help would be very helpful. Thank you!

GIC Co Invest and Funds Group

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Guys,

Does anyone have any information related to the Co-Invest and Funds Group of GIC in terms of hours, pay, culture? What is the recruiting process like and how should prepare for these kinds of interviews? Are they different from buyout PEs interviews?


WSO Private Equity Resume Template for Professionals with Deal Experience is Released!

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Big Announcement: WSO Private Equity Official Resume Template for Experienced Professionals with Deal Experience is Now Public!:

Click here for the free investment banking resume template for college students.

For those of you with deal or project experience coming from Investment Banking or Management Consulting, looking to make sure your CV format is clean and make sure that your private equity resume is polished for those competitive buyside jobs in private equity and hedge funds, we have a great sample resume you can now use free of charge (attached to this post below). We're hoping this clean format gives you an even bigger edge in recruiting (besides being members of WSO :-). Also, don't forget that our private equity interview prep guide is now available after years in the making (here)!

As I mentioned earlier in the week when we released the investment banking resume template for undergraduates, we think the WSO templates give you a lot more flexibility on spacing. It's tough to condense all of your deal experience into a coherent summary, so we hope this is helpful (keep an eye out for the Private Equity Interview Prep Pack which we expect to have a beta version released by the end of February 2014)

This is the PE resume template we use in all of our the WSO resume reviews with experienced buyside professionals.

This particular banking resume sample is for experienced hires, not undergraduates. You should also not take these bullets since they just being used as placeholders / examples and aren't that strong...

Thank you all for supporting Wall Street Oasis!
Patrick

ps - please feel free to share this post and pass it along to your friends in banking or other finance positions

pps - remember, if you are looking for real finance professionals (including talented PE and HF pros) to help with your wording and bullets and tough decisions on what to cut and what to keep, please consider our industry leading resume editing service, specifically targeted towards investment banking, private equity, hedge funds, trading, management consulting and other finance resumes...our testimonials speak for themselves: http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/wso-finance-resume-review :-)

MacAndrews and Forbes Family Office PE

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This is founded and owned by Ronald Perelman. What are your thoughts on working for a family office? Since they have permanent capital base, that would be a huge plus right since other GPs have to keep raising capital?

WSO Hall of Fame: Private Equity Forum

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The Wall Street Oasis Private Equity Hall of Fame provides a comprehensive collection of some of WSO's best discussions on the private equity industry. Keep in mind this Hall of Fame does not include Q&A sessions by WSO veterans. To view a full list of Q&A’s & Interviews please navigate here. If you think we missed a post that should be included in the Hall of Fame, please e-mail Andy@wallstreetoasis.com the request.


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Ideal Background for Distressed PE?

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I was curious as to what the ideal background is for those who want to work for a distressed private equity firm? I know many tend to come from restructuring groups (HL, Evercore, etc.), but I was wondering if there were any other backgrounds that would enable you to work for a distressed pe firm?

Is it acceptable to intern in PE during your senior year after accepting a FT IBD offer?

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I'm currently a rising senior interning in M&A in the NY office of a foreign investment bank. The experience is pretty good and I like the firm so far, but I would still like to do PE in a few years after I accept a FT offer there (fingers crossed, but I remain optimistic).

I'm lucky that I go to a target school near a lot of MM-lower MM PE firms, and I'm considering interning at one during my final year of college (before I go back to the bank) with the idea of networking, learning as much as possible, getting great resume experience, and possibly going back there when I leave the bank.

Has anyone done this before? Is this generally frowned upon among bankers? The last thing I want to do is burn bridges in my bank because I took a semester job in PE.

EMBA, HBS LDP or other training for M&A lawyer joining new PE firm?

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I am currently a junior M&A/PE partner at a top wall st. law firm. Late 30's with a young family. Ivy undergrad and law school. Good understanding of "business" but no formal business training.

I have a very good opportunity to join a small but growing PE fund/permanent capital vehicle as a partner. I would sit on the IC, help evaluate investments, take a hands on role in managing the portfolio investment, etc. I am now trying to figure out how to best round out my skill set so that I can add the most value to the team. A couple questions:

1) Does anyone have a view what skills are most key for me to learn before joining? E.g., financial modeling? valuation? strategy? corporate finance?

2) Does anyone have a view as to what is the best way/best programs to get the necessary skills in the most time/cost effective manner? FYI, I'd love to do an EMBA but not sure the financial/time commitment is feasible given my personal situation and the demands of the new role.

3) Anyone have an opinion of the HBS Leadership Development Program (LDP)? (I am thinking of coupling a program like this with some financial modeling training.)

Basically, I'm looking for a way to get as good at possible as quickly as possible at the business skills necessary to thrive at a PE fund.

My Private Equity Recruiting Process

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I am about 3 weeks removed from receiving three PE offers (from MFs and top MM firms), both elated and relieved to be done with such a crazy process. I saw that another user commented saying he'd do a write-up about his experience going through the recruiting process and figured I'd wait to write up mine until after, but I haven't seen his so figured I'll just go ahead with my post. This community was absolutely instrumental in helping secure the offers, so I think it'd be incredibly selfish to not give back and write about my experience.

To give you a little bit of background about me: 1st year analyst working at a mid-level BB in a mid-level coverage group. Top-25 (non-Ivy) school, solid GPA, didn't summer in banking and recruited full-time.

I think this post is best served in 4 distinct parts:

1) initial headhunter meetings
2) preparation for the process,
3) coffee chats, dinners and the actual interview process, and
4) miscellaneous.

1) Initial Headhunter Meetings

Plain and simple, everything starts with the headhunters. They are the gatekeepers to basically every interview process and are incredibly important. If you work at a BB or an elite boutique, the headhunters will begin reaching out to you in October / November. You do not need to email them before you start working or anything like that - it'll serve you no benefit and will only hurt you in the process. They'll reach out to you. With that said, I have a funky email address that includes my middle initial, so when all of my peers received the messages from Dynamics/CPI/Amity/Glocap/etc., I did not. This sucks, but just have one of your coworkers forward you the email they received. It is perfectly fine if they haven't emailed you, and I'm sure they'll be more than happy to speak with you if you email them introducing yourself and asking to meet in person.

There are a few important points to note with these headhunter interviews. First and foremost, you only get one shot at meeting/impressing them and proving that you'll be capable of going through PE/HF recruiting and being in front of their clients. Treat these initial interviews as you would any other important interview. I see people on here saying "ah yeah the headhunter meetings don't matter much" - this is the wrong attitude. Unless you're at BX/other top groups, you absolutely have to come off polished when you meet with them. I prepped for these meetings like I was prepping for a 1st round interview. They'll ask you to walk them through your resume, what you're looking for, why PE or why HF, where do you want to work, what kind of funds are you targeting, what are some names you're targeting, things like that. One of the ways I think you can differentiate yourself here is knowing EXACTLY what you're looking for. If you can name specific funds and why (e.g. is it their specific strategy? Is it because you worked on a deal with them? Do you know somebody there? Did somebody from your group go there? Is their head of C&R/Healthcare/Tech investing really well known? etc.), it'll help you immensely. I think I got interviews at a few places because I specifically listed those firms as firms offering what I could consider a dream opportunity.

If you have a deal on your resume, expect for some of the headhunters that are former bankers (e.g. CPI, Glocap, HSP) to ask you to walk through the deal. I had kids in my group not prepare for these meetings and get sort of grilled (CPI did this) and not receive any interviews from that respective headhunter, while I received multiple interviews because I came prepared. You can't come off wishy-washy here - you need to know that you're either doing HF or PE, what size fund (i.e. middle market/large cap/MF/lower middle market/growth equity), where, and why. You can tell different recruiters different things (i.e. tell one you want PE, another you want HF), but unless you're at a top group that consistently sends people to MFs/top HFs, then you need to know what you want.

Another thing I'd like to note is that, while the headhunters are the middle men in the process, you also play an important role and it is in their best interest to meet as many candidates as possible to try to place as many people as possible. That's how they get paid. They understand that you're a banker and there are a lot of demands on your time/life, so it is perfectly reasonable to wait to respond to their introductory emails several weeks (or months) later to make sure you're ready. I waited until December to meet with the headhunters and I was fine. If you need to cancel and reschedule, that's fine too so long as you do it professionally. If you know one week you're going to be getting crushed and you have a headhunter meeting scheduled for 8:00am that Wednesday, email them and ask to reschedule; they understand. Just don't do this several times.

Lastly, not all headhunters are created equally. Some of them, for whatever reason, just won't click with you, which sucks but it is what it is. Some of them are just dicks and aren't worth your time. I had a particularly awful meeting with one of the recruiters at SearchOne where the person essentially told me I was an idiot and I didn't understand the size distinctions between PE firms. Jokes on them, I got 3 offers in PE despite "not knowing what it is".

2) Preparation for the Process

It's true that the interviewing process is grueling and seems to pop up out of nowhere every year. It catches people off-guard and I know quite a few people in my group felt underprepared for everything. Each year the process gets earlier and earlier, so it's absolutely crucial that you're ready for the process. This means prepping in your down time at work at any chance you get. That said, you have to be discreet about it. You don't want to give off the impression that you're only there to work for 6 months, get a PE/HF offer, then cruise for the next 18 months. Make a pitchbook with a generic cover and put a guide in it so it "looks" like you're working, when in reality you're studying. Read websites/articles about your deal and take notes. Read initiating coverage reports on the two companies involved in one of your deals, read comprehensive research reports on the sub industry that the companies are from, understand everything there is to know about the business models. Do practice lbo models in your free time. Even if you have a Saturday off, if you're just gonna be lying in bed hungover, go into work and practice.

The Wall Street Oasis PE guide I think was probably the most important part of my prep process, but on its own, I'd say it's incomplete. I think it's the best one out there and 150% worth the investment (seriously, $300 price tag for a $200k+ job? Sign me up), but you need to supplement your preparation with other things as well. People on this site love to stress the importance of modeling, and I always see kids on here saying "oh that group doesn't model, it's not a good group" but that couldn't be more misguided. I come from one of the groups that, according to people here, apparently "doesn't model" (news to me lol). Every group models, and every group will have practice LBOs for you to get your feet wet with (...I hope). Sure, maybe some of the product groups get a more "technical" modeling experience but it's not that important. In reality, the models in my PE interviews were not very difficult. One of the megafunds I interviewed with had a template-based cash sweep model and it was a joke. Another firm just had us do a debt paydown from scratch and it wasn't very hard either.

This next paragraph will go against the conventional wisdom of this site a bit, and it's my own personal opinion so take it with a grain of salt. I don't claim that it's the right view, but it's my belief and it's what I would do if I went through the recruiting process again:

The single most important part of your interviewing experience with PE firms will be your deal experience. I would say a solid 30% of every single interview I had was spent talking about my deal in depth. If you don't have an announced M&A deal on your resume, or you don't have an unannounced deal you feel comfortable talking about on a very granular level, I don't see what you would talk about in your interviews. I was incredibly fortunate to have a $1-2bn sell-side on my resume that got announced two months before everything started (conveniently, right when I met with the headhunters). I think it was the single most important factor in me landing the interviews (and ultimately the jobs) that I received. If I hadn't had an announced M&A deal on my resume, I likely would have waited until next year to go through the process. People here say it's a detriment to your chances, but I met quite a few people throughout the process from BAML/JPM/GS that were second years going through the interview process for the first time. Perhaps there is a stigma against them, I'm not sure and I don't know where they ended up, but there were a few second years at my interviews with 3 megafunds and 2 of the top MM firms. I understand the desire to get out of banking, and if your bank doesn't have a 3-year model like the aforementioned banks, then maybe that won't work for you, but my bank generally lets people stay on for a third year if you're on good terms, so I probably would've waited an extra year had I not felt prepared. After all, you only have one shot interviewing with each firm so you can't really screw it up.

In terms of preparation though, I don't want to get to in depth because I think you should have to figure that out on your own, but I will say that the three biggest areas to focus on are first and foremost, the deals on your resume, secondly understanding everything there is to know about an LBO (on a theoretical and conceptual level), and third, being able to walk through paper lbos/case studies. In some of my interviews, we got REALLY granular into my deal experience, and it was good that I had prepped so thoroughly, so you have to know everything about them. The case study part caught me off guard and I think it might be the one area that the WSO guide didn't exactly prepare me for, but a lot of my interviews had a case study where they wanted me to talk through how I would approach a potential PE investment so it was something I picked up throughout the process which was nice.

3) The Actual Interview Process

This is where things get really hectic. Everybody sort of knew interviews were coming towards the end of January. I had been contacted for coffee chats/dinners at several different firms in early January. These, I think, are mostly used to drum up interest and allow you to get a feel for some of the firms and the people that work there. While I think they're a good indication of whether you'll get an interview, I agree with the other poster who said that they're not the end-all, be-all of the process. There were a few firms that I got coffee with an associate/VP and I thought it went great, and I didn't hear back/get an interview. There were some firms where I thought the drinks went poorly and I received an interview. There were even more firms still that had dinners and coffee chats that I wasn't invited to, and I received interviews (and an offer!) from them.

Anyway, the process kicked off on a Friday or something this year. I got the gobuyside email saying "The following firms have started their interview process" and I hadn't heard a thing and I got nervous. But then, over the course of that weekend, I received probably 3 or 4 emails asking me if I would be available to interview with XYZ firm at 10am/1pm/5pm/etc. the following day. For some interviews, I would literally find out at 1 a.m. that they wanted to interview me at 9 a.m. the following morning. The good thing is that you can push back a little bit to see if there is any other availability (i.e. 12pm instead of 9a.m.), but know that things move REALLY quickly and it probably is in your best interest to accept the time they give you, if you're available.

On one day, I had interviews with 3 or 4 firms, and got called back to two of them for things in the afternoon. I am lucky in that my group is receptive to recruiting, so I was able to ask my associates to cover for me, but some people might not be as fortunate. I met a few kids who said that their group doesn't allow recruiting, and that they hadn't been in the office all day and were dreading the lecture they'd get when they show up 5 hours late to work.

While it does suck that things move quickly, the good news is that you know where you stand pretty quickly as well. For the three interviews that I eventually converted to offers, I found out I got a second round interview right before I was leaving their. In terms of offers, I received them probably within 3-4 hours of leaving their offices.

This section is pretty short, but for some reason I'm blanking on what to write here, but feel free to ask me any questions about the actual interviews and I'm happy to answer them.

4) Miscellaneous

There were a few ideas I held about the whole PE recruiting process that I had read here that ended up not being 100% true, so hopefully I can shine some light on those. One thing that stuck out to me, and that I continued to believe all the way up until I received the offers, is that I'd be handicapped by my group. I feel stupid saying this now, but I was sort of led to believe that unless I was at GS/BX/MS I wouldn't be getting looks from any of the top funds. This was wrong. All told, I interviewed with 3 megafunds and 4 top upper MM funds. I received three offers from those before I ended my process. Throughout that first week, I also received offers to interview at ~5 or so other really quality funds (think Welsh Carson, GTCR, Genstar, Vestar type firms) that I had to decline as I'd already accepted offers. Not to mention the 10+ interviews I got for some lower-MM funds. This is coming from a decent BB in a decent coverage group, not a top group.

People also try to make it out that it's impossible to recruit for west coast opportunities from NYC. While I will be staying in NYC for my PE gig. I received interviews at several top funds on the West Coast and had all of my interviews in NYC. A lot of the top west coast funds will fly out to New York City to do their process. I had two final rounds in NYC for west coast shops. I think the important thing is that you have ties to the west coast. I am from just outside of San Francisco, so it was easy for me to say why I want to move to SF or LA. If you don't have ties to the west coast, I wouldn't expect to have as easy a time getting interviews there.

This post is long enough as it is so I will end it here, but feel free to ask any questions here and I will do my best to answer them.

Mod Note (Andy): Make sure to see Northsider's response to this post in the comments or by clicking here

Best of WSO, this was originally posted March 2015


Transfer from LP to GP in Private Equity

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I was recently offered a position at an Limited Partnership PE Fund. does anyone have any insights into LP firms? what they do? what skills are needed etc? and lastly can you make the switch from LP to GP?

The Truth Behind PE Compensation

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Hello World!

Compensation in the PE world can be a bit of a black box. I sometimes get approached by folks who are perplexed by their compensation packages at a middle market PE fund. There is little consistency even across funds of the same size. On the surface, this doesn't exactly make a whole lot of sense. After all, it is easy to calculate a PE firm's revenue: simply take the fund size, multiple by 2%, and there you have a pretty good estimate. Right? Wrong! Here are a couple of the dynamics at play "under the hood" that can have a profound impact on the PE firm's revenue and therefore compensation:

1. Economics are not the same for every Limited Partner. Many funds have "Anchor Investors." Anchor Investors earn that status a few ways. Often times the Anchor Investors are the largest Limited Partners by a meaningful scale, accounting for 10% or more of the committed capital. They usually commit capital at the beginning of the fund raise (during the first close) and help build momentum for the fundraising. In return for this risk, Anchor Investors often negotiate a Side Letter. The Side Letter stipulates special conditions or exceptions for that particular LP. While many things can be included in Side Letters, better economics can certainly be one of them. So while 2 and 20 may apply to the majority of the LPs, a couple Anchor Investors may actually be at 1.5% and 15% or lower!

2. Fee Sharing! It is no secret that PE firms charge a few different fees to their portfolio companies. The usual suspects are a closing fee (initial acquisition), monitoring fees (during ownership), and exit fee (liquidity). These fees are customarily distributed to LPs in one form or fashion. The percentage distributed to the LPs is set at the beginning of the funds life (during fundraising). If a fund has a 100% fee offset, ALL of the fees are distributed to LPs (or used to offset capital calls). An 80/20 construct, which is not uncommon, would permit the private equity firm to retain 20%. This is absolutely massive in terms of a PE firm's revenue and is a large factor in determining how much money is available for compensation, particularly if a great deal of compensation is an annual bonus.

There are a number of other factors at play, such as active legacy funds and their corresponding fee arrangements. However, next time you are negotiating compensation with a PE firm for a senior position, try to get an appreciation for these two dynamics. Ask for a copy of the fund's Private Placement Memorandum, which typically outlines the fee sharing arrangement and the general fund pricing structure. It isn't foolproof, but this could very well explain why your buddy at a similar size fund is getting paid twice as much!

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Moving Up in PE – without MBA

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I know that at a lot of funds you are forced out to either MBA or a different job after 2 years. Is there a list of funds at which you can be promoted and get on partner-track without an MBA? Is this very unlikely?

From post-investment portfolio management to PE

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Hi fellow monkeys:

I graduated from college in 2012, and was wondering if I can seek your advice on how I can transition into a PE role at a decent platform please? I knew I liked investment due to the intellectual aspect, but was not very clear on what kind of investment I would like to do, so I started my career in one of the top 3 mutual fund companies (think fidelity, BLK, schroders, etc) as an investment analyst on the fixed income macro fund.

After 2 years, i realized that I am more interested in long-term investment, and in identifying value in companies. so i started my transition into this field from macro. Since I didn't do banking after college, the transition has not been easy, but I was able to find a role as a high yield credit analyst (still in public market) from 2014-2015. In late 2015, I found my current position as an early stage TMT investment analyst at my current platform - the name is great, and I do like private equity investment. However, my current platform is not so great, and since joining ~1 year ago, we have not been able to close any deals. My experience so far is limited to portfolio management of investment companies, deal screening, pre-term sheet DD,self-drive DD, and some modeling from my credit role.

I am in the process of applying to MBA this September, and would really appreciate your advice on how I can leverage my current experience (+ any extra work I can do on my own), to transition into a better private equity platform after MBA? I am open to all sorts of PE , but would just like the platform to be more intense and productive than my current one. I am open to doing a pre-MBA internship before MBA starts next september. My other stats are reasonably good, and I'm hoping for M7 for MBA admissions.

Thank you for your feedback in advance!

PE - Doha

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Hi,

I'm considering to move from London to Doha (Qatar). I'm currently working as senior associate for a mid market PE fund and I'm negotiating to move there for another fund with a similar size. The new position will be roughly the same in terms of seniority.

Any idea re:
- What level of salary increase shall i set as a floor (please note personal income tax in Qatar is 0%)? Comparables/data/sources to estimate it?
- Which type of benefits shall i consider as must-have?
- What type of downsides would you consider when evaluating such a move?

Thanks

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